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I love your posts because me and my friends have been screaming about how badly Jon was treated by the Archive Crew despite him doing his best, and also about how the poor man never got any agency in the end. It’s nice to see that we’re not the only ones who have Issues with the Finale.

The thing is, this really is a masterwork of eldritch/existential horror within its genre. Amazingly terrifying, infinitely soul-crushing. Where similar stories play up the dread by keeping the bogeymen in the dark and their purposes Arcane and Unknowable, Jonny Sims put 15 spotlights on his entities and still managed to horrify us so much more than some random evil squid god. It’s a good story and a great tragedy.

But yes, the Issue with the Finale is very much the absolute vacuum where Jon’s agency and validation should be. The man got fuck-all from the narrative and even less than fuck-all from the holier than thou hypocrites he was forced to call friends for lack of anyone better around him. Much as I am very much onboard with blaming the Web for most of Jon’s plight, I’ve come to revise my initial hope that the others on Team Archive were being forced to be cruel/isolating to Jon. 

Now I’m forced to believe the Web’s only move there was arranging things to have Jon surrounded by the least supportive support network it could give him who would be malleable enough to use for its own ends once they reached the climax. People with just enough moral fortitude*** to slap Jon’s wrists through s3-s4 for simply surviving, only to have them turn around and jump at the first easy fix-it for themselves at the cost of others’ lives in s5.

The Fears I can hate because they are the Fears.

These people I hate because they did the one thing Jon never did throughout the entire series, including MAG 160--they chose to willingly deliver torment unto innocent victims for their own sake. Maybe one world’s worth. Potentially many more. Potentially an infinity more. They spent a total of ten fucking minutes pretending to ‘debate it’ before coming to the decision.

And the only excuses they can make for themselves is ‘Well, we don’t know for sure; the best we can do is hope!’ 

So say these understandable, believable, traumatized people--who have suffered less than an nth of all the torturous bullshit Jon has been dragged through. Jon, who was so conditioned by the narrative to bite the bullet that he was willing to pull a euthanasia on the world he’d tried so hard to save just to be sure the Fears would die with them, never to touch or torture anyplace else. 

“If anyone’s listening… Goodbye. I’m sorry, and…good luck.”

Fuck off.

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Bad thought: Annabelle is lying about what will happen if they follow her plan.

Worse thought: The Fears won’t leave if Jon and the others enact it. The Fears will just grow. They’ll funnel down into the rift and plant new roots in the next dimension, but they will still be in the TMA world, wringing it dry for the next however-many eons until Terminus depletes the human supply. Annabelle’s plan will improve nothing—it’ll just let the Fears set up their next meal while gorging themselves on their current helping.

Worst thought: This has all happened before. The Fears preyed on other Earths or places like it before now. The Web has used the same plan over and over in an endless chain of ruined worlds. If Jon and the others follow Annabelle’s instructions, they’ll just be doing what so many other desperate victims attempting to be heroes did before them. And they’ll be betrayed just the same.

Jon talking about being the only one left, extinction!jon rights 👏 his plan got derailed, but the intent was there

Extinction Jon will live forever in our hearts. He did his best to end it all in a massive #FuckTheFears moment, but The Magnus Archives was a Tragedy After All 😔

Me: surely season five of the horror podcast the magnus archives cannot crush my soul more than it already has

TMA 173: What do you think happened to all the children when the world changed?

Also TMA 173: Thank you for not hitting me this time

Me:

Tbh no part of the magnus archives will ever be funnier or more annoying to me than the fact the archives was under a full scale attacks by monsters that had to be held back by an academic, an ex cop, and a former youtuber

And it all happened offscreen while Mr. Voyeurism was getting hit on by the Grim Reaper

So like, THANK YOU for siding with Jon and his whole "I don't want to condemn several realities to the Fears" and his friends going "But then it's US who will have to deal with them!!" and... I may be overthinking this but with everything, it feels like a very abusive dynamic? Idk if you know about the Golden Child/Parent/Escapegoat dynamic, but it's common in disfunctional families to have a favorite for the parent to project on, and a escapegoat to put blame

You know what? We’re at the end of the series and I’ve been trying to be placid about this for a long time. But screw it.

I honestly do not enjoy 75% of Team Archive. At all. 

Because every last one of them is a hypocrite and a half.

The thing is, much as we as a fandom have been trying really reeeeally hard to project a familial/jagged friendship dynamic on Team Archive, the actual interactions we get paint a picture of just...coworkers muscling through a job they hate while grudgingly working together. I know, Jon and Martin call them their friends and they’ve had lighter moments once in a while, but really? I think they just don’t have enough options to be choosy about the term.

Georgie’s cool most of the time, and at least she brought up that, hey, yeah, she really shouldn’t have plugged her ears and slammed the door when Jon was in crisis mode back in s4. Only for her to join the Let’s Cross Our Fingers and Hope We Aren’t Dooming a Whole Multiverse For Our Convenience crew. 

The thing the Archive Crew (conveniently) forgot while deciding to send the Web and other Fears on their merry way to eat the multiverse is that: 1. The Web now knows just exactly how to start a Fearpocalyse AND they have a perfectly good door opener in Jon and 2. It took centuries in their world to build the Fears up in their world. But those other worlds are going to have maxed level Fears descending upon them, strong from grazing on the full fear of an entire world.

Team Archive, sweating, rushing to bury their former scruples under the floorboards: If they’ve been listening in, those other worlds have a way better chance of preventing their own Fearpocalypse(s)!

The Fears, resurrecting Jonathan ‘Never Allowed to Rest’ Sims for the 2nd time and shoving him in the keyhole of an infinite number of Doors: Yeah :) Sure :) Definitely :) So True Besties :) :) :)

I love your rant post I feel the EXACT same way. Like I went into the last few episodes expecting to cry my eyes out from the sad but instead I'm just full of rage. I was SO hopeful that 199 was a red herring to distract the Web while they enact a different plan (literally any other plan) and I'm still crushed that that was their honest to god real debate about it

What would have helped is if the tapes pulled that trick they did sometimes when the recording fast-forwards through unneeded filler time. 

Instead of giving us an incredibly short ‘debate’ all in one rushed sitting, we could have been treated to multiple stops and starts that could imply either several hours or even several days’ worth of going back and forth. It would’ve given a much more favorable impression of Team Archive actually weighing the real consequences of their decisions, and maybe left room for someone to actually listen to Jon’s perspective rather than steamroll over him. Again.

Instead we’re given the speed-run version--despite it being clear that there was no actual deadline for the decision--making Team Archive (sans Jon) come off like they were trying to sprint their way to the most convenient solution, the same way people will hurriedly make excuses for themselves whenever they know they’re about to do something shitty. 

I don’t know if it was intentional on Jonny’s part. At best it really hammered home the Capital T Tragedy of Jon’s situation, with him being the only one with the experience to make a sound-if-spartan judgment call and willingness to hit that big red button to save the next world(s). But all it really did was sour me on the rest of the cast for being so transparent in their hypocrisy. For fuck’s sake, Jon didn’t even get to call them on it. 

And yes, I was absolutely hoping for a secret third option to come through. Something that would still mean Jon sacrificing himself in some way, but one that would at least give us some vindictive pleasure at the Web not entirely getting its way and scurrying off without a single scratch on it. But no.

I just listened to the new The Magnus Protocol.

And there they are. There they are.

'Granny Gertrude' alias G.G. alias GiGi living with her 'grandson' GERRY. Happy, artistic, weightless, home chef, painter, walking sunshine Gerry who sounded so goddamn cheerful I thought it couldn't be him until the name drop. My eyes actually watered

And then the surprise Third G

Georgie is still on her paranormal podcast gig and Celia is a friend of hers??? The whole final third of this episode was just unwrapping a nesting doll of lovely little surprises which will undoubtedly come back to stab me in the heart but still

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